The ONLY reasons why mirrorless doesnt shrink as fast as DSLR’s is because CaNikon after many years of testing jumped on the ship. These capable cameras should be solid and well-built, have both speed and focus for capturing fast action and offer professional-level image quality. Then in the selection box, you can check up to three cameras at a time to compare their data. In this buying guide we’ve rounded up all the current interchangeable lens cameras costing around $2000 and recommended the best. Obviously if you own and like s lenses you should keep using a z camera. Great camera! Simplest to maintain compatibility with the MB-D18. Nikon is not trying to protect that market. They put their eggs in another basket. No, but your ridiculous question doesn't hide the fact that Nikon doesn't want this to be a cheaper D5. Ha ha. And changing focusing mode was earlier only possible with dedicated oddly placed button and selector wheel...It is a pitty that DPreview won't spent more time and attention on this camera. With my Z6, my flash use has gone down dramatically and with that, my images look so much more natural. I have been using Nikon system since the film era. ". The rear camera (or cameras) on an iPhone has all the latest bells and whistles, but how do you use them to capture a selfie or record a video of yourself? The diminishing sales number signal death of the DSLR category - like it or not. The D780 is probably still better in low light than the D850, and the D750 (IMO) between the three, remains the king (if the D780's ISO performance is truely similar to that of the Z6). It might sound strange, but having used Nikon digital cameras for more than 10 years, the "i" menu function in the D780, taken from the Z6/Z7, is a fantastic improvement in usability, even compared to many other cameras it is a no brainer. With DXOMARK you can display the cameras with three different views - Grid, List or Graph in order for you to have the best solution to compare the filtered results. Those are not facts - only your interpretation. For now, I have no issue using them on my Z6 via the FTZ adapter. It was and is the same with the D700. We compare the Canon EOS R6, Nikon Z6 II, Panasonic S5 and Sony a7 III. So even that you are a pro Sony fan, you have to realize the facts that, the only reason why DSLR is dropping and mirrorless not dropping so much is all about CaNikon. I still use d800, I don't understand all this rush about new camera, all I need I still do with d800. If you're going to read one thing read this! I customized a button the D780 for HDR but it doesn't work because if you have HDR off in the menu it does not turn on using the button. Download pdf of the Manual, here one reads Good and Very Bad in Custom Options. In 2020, Nikon is planning to increase its investment and establish foundations for growth. If Nikon is aiming at these people, there are not too many of them. The no grip controversy was way overblown. If you don't even use XQD card (or Nikon Z6 or 7) then why are you going around whinnying about it?! There will always be a dedicated camera market, even if it shrinks as the smartphone cameras gain capability. Just to give some information about those *Sony Northrop* who think is that Nikon is dying or sort of. The Primoplan 75mm F1.9 II is a redesign of the original Primoplan 75mm F1.9 designed in 1936. The D780 is the first Nikon DSLR infused with mirrorless technology, featuring the same 273-point focal plane Hybrid AF system employed in the Nikon Z 6, enabling broad coverage of approximately 90 percent of the frame. We've been putting the new Nikon D780 to the test in places both near and far – here in the snowy/rainy streets of Seattle, out at a professional rugby match and in the sun-drenched streets of Old San Juan, Puerto Rico. And they have to overcome D780's high price hurdle. well, when I say that the image quality of the Pentax K1-ii is clearly better, it is based on the image quality comparator of dpreview. While they were out shooting their video about Sigma's new lenses, Chris and Jordan filled up a memory card with photos from the 35mm F2 DG DN using Panasonic bodies. Look, no grip is pathetic no matter who does it. Where is the vertical grip with controls for vertical shooting? I was seriously thinking about trying one out but that buffer is smaller than the one in my Z6. HOWEVER, the Z mount is future proof and so far, the S lenses represent the best glass Nikon can make. Plus, it has no IBIS, which I find useful. 'What's the best mirrorless camera?' The color shift in the Z6 file is so glaring. You are dead wrong about the banding not showing up in the real world. They've already started offers, so that doesn't seem like a good sign. If all the new lenses are that much better, I’ll have all Z lenses soon. Earlier this week we published our samples from the new Sigma 65mm F2 DG DN when mounted on a Sony body. Free Advice - Get a Used D850 or D500. Choose the cameras you want to compare from the results below. I had three of the new S-line lenses for my Z6. Operating profit of 82.6 billion yen is HIGHEST since 2010.R&D expenditures in the fiscal year ended March 31, 2019, totaled ¥63.9 billion, an increase of ¥3.2 billion year on year.It paid dividends per share in the fiscal year ended March 31, 2019, amounted to ¥60, which is increased by ¥24 from the previ- ous fiscal year and, indeed, highest since 2010. If the XQD card cuts a minute off that time it's not something that I consider a big deal. The Z's can adapt to the f lenses, but the D780 is stuck with the f lenses. That's it? You're right dude big mistake leaving it out, but so was leaving the grip contacts out! Compared to January 2019 sales numbers, the DSLR category is down 30%. Even 13 year olds can see that. When using the flip screen, one has access to Z6 functionality while shooting stills. Kind of why the flip screen was invented. Why would anyone buy this D780 over a Pentax K1-II ?? There is still a decent price difference between the D850 and D780 (about $500 last I checked). It seems likes an SLR with well executed live view and video features. I personally think you're just spoiled after having used so many mirrorless cameras. "The majority may not be."? The new Laowa 15mm F4.5 Shift lens lets you go wide with perspective control. So, you are talking about the death of dslrs, and yes maybe you are right. As a result, revenue for the Imaging Products Business decreased by 21.1% year on year to 119,054 million yen, and operating profit fell by 84.7% year on year to 2,026 million yen."https://nikonrumors.com/2019/11/07/nikons-q2-financial-results-are-out-2.aspx/. Rugby match, street cat, new apartment flats. IMO, unless someone has lots of D screwdriver glass, there's absolutely no reason to get a D780 in 2020. But I am a happy Canon 6d mark ii owner. I have a Nikon D750. More on Portrait Score, Measures in exposure value (EV) the maximum difference between light and dark details that a sensor can record. @tbcassD850 and D5 nor Z6/Z7 seems to be suffering from running XQD cards, or are you trying to convince us there is no benefits ?Did you ever tried to transfert 64GB of a SDcard vs 128GB from a XQD to your SSD ? There are no new buyers more or less. What is your chief concern with it - what does it prevent / make more cumbersome? Exactly. Nikon and Canon became scared and started making non-reflex cameras two years ago. I will continue watching out for thorough reviews but won't know for sure until I give the D780 a try. Maybe I will get a Z60000 one day. "....should significantly improve the D780's AF performance..." as this is a review I would have thought the word 'should' wouldn't be valid? Crass stupidity yet again by Nikon. It's still built around a 24MP sensor and 51-point AF system but the more you dig in, the more you discover it's a much more capable machine: a DSLR that's learned a lot from mirrorless. All in all - I wouldn't buy it. Gon0S You're so in the minority to think a single card slot wasn't a gigantic failure in the Z series cameras. Most never bought it for the D750. With DXOMARK you can display the cameras with three different views - Grid, List or Graph in order for you to have the best solution to compare the filtered results. Our Decision Algorithm dynamically scores cameras using 63 different specs, current price and DxO Mark scores (where possible) in order to make a more objective and consistent comparison. In 2019, Nikon's operating profit is 82.6 billion yen *up by 67.6 billion.Operating margin: 11.7% or up by 9.5%return on equity (ROE) 11.2% or up by 9.4%. Of course, it's not for everyone and is not going to sell anything like the D750 did. Joke or not, Nikon lost quite a few faithful customers for that... salko, if you drop your Nikon system because Z cameras are only sporting one XQD/CFE card slot, frankly, you should stop photography and just goto unboxing youtuber business. The Nikon Zs and the Panasonic SL's are rather nice. How many people out there have 5 or more F-mount lenses? I am also disappointed in Nikon. Nikon D780 camera body also feature decent upgrade a 3.2″ tilting touchscreen, a USB Type C port with in-camera charging and twin SD card slots that support UHS-II media. Fantastic battery capacity, nice grip, nice balance, sturdy built, very good af (i.e high hitrate), ovf and mirrorless af for liveview an movie, n-logg 10 bit, 12 step dynamic range in movie. For some reason Z6 users insist their choice is right for me. Now, for higher ISOs the body matters too, and the Nikon is a much better higher ISO body than the Pentax K1-II. The D780 isn't the fastest camera in town, but a deep buffer and excellent AF performance make it a solid choice for sports or action. I don't own any XDQ/CFE cards, but your claims are just poor. Just tell us you are absolutly not intersted in any Nikon device because you are so much in blind love with what you barely managed to buy because of the hype or needs, but please, stop with that ridiculous argument. Today, at its Snapdragon Tech Summit, Qualcomm revealed the details of its new Snapdragon 888 system on a chip (SoC) that, amongst performance and battery improvements, offers an array of impressive photographer features, should Android smartphone manufacturers choose to make the most of them. Here is where you'll find all the nitty gritty details. The fact that it upset Gon0S so much that he had to make a long rambling reply to me makes it even better. > Again, I don't understand Sony camera, it's like use a mobile for take pictures. Can we see the comparative results of this from the 780? DXO Mark rates the sensor on the Z 6 (and the D780 by extrapolation) ... Nikon D780 with a Nikon 28mm f/3.5 PC lens. With their 1DXIII they debuted all sorts of new and cutting edge features that got attention. I spend my money on drugs and hookers. Sigma has introduced its new 'I series' of compact, premium full-frame lenses for E and L mounts. Really, you purposely underexpose by 6 or 7 stops all the time? Nikon simply caught up to Canon for having a nice live view experience. It is quite visible. Why else was the flip screen introduced before great live view was introduced? In our latest buying guide we've selected some cameras that might be a bit older but still offer a lot of bang for the buck. I'm not interested in "convergence" of DSLR with mirrorless lines, though I understand why Nikon is tempted to do it. From your comparison with the Z6 and evaluation I do not see how you can find the Z6 only 2 overall points higher or the D780 2 points less. ISO 102,400 on the D780 looks better than 25,600 on the D800. According to the test result, the dynamic range for D780's sensor is similar as Nikon Z6, while a bit better than Nikon D750. I tested the camera next to a D800E at 180mm and also 1/30s handheld and my experience is exactly the opposite: the D800E reaches about 50% of the lp/mm the D780 reaches handheld in this extreme situation. No news here; this is excellent. And no one mentions the lack of the grip option. They didn't seem to do a significant amount of testing of the af system. I enjoyed my D800 until last December when I sold it off it modernize my equipment. As long as you weren't expecting the whole OVF. Well, maybe you didn’t read my text so good.Yes DSLR will in sometime vanish, still many of them are good enough or for some users like sportsfotographers, still better. I brought up the Z6's live view in the D780 which the D500 and D850 clearly don't have. So cameras like the D780 unfortunately don't get the positive attention it should. No 24 1.4. Poor battery life, worse handling, lag, incompatibility with pre af-s lenses, limited lens selection, looking at a screen instead of the world. If you're looking for a high-quality camera, you don't need to spend a ton of cash, nor do you need to buy the latest and greatest new product on the market. CIPA's latest report for global camera shipments shows the camera industry is gaining pace once again in a year marred by the COVID-19 pandemic atop a market already in decline. ", https://petapixel.com/2019/11/12/nikon-says-its-cameras-need-to-justify-their-existence-as-a-business/. How can you know you saw shutter shock and not simply mirror vibration? That's why there are also non-reflex cameras from them. Nikon D780 24.5 MP Full Frame DSLR Camera (1618) - Accessory Bundle - with Sandisk Extreme Pro 64GB Card + Additional ENEL15 Battery + Nikon Case + Cleaning Set + … Again, ironic. You can go on criticizing and complaining but the DSLR sales will continue to diminish. To be honest, my 5DMK1 puts out better IQ than what I'm seeing in these JPG's. As a Z6 user, this strikes me as a blast from the past. You've confused good or bad raw file processing with IQ. It just didn't look quite as nice. DXO Mark rates the sensor on the Z 6 (and the D780 by extrapolation) at 14.3 stops at base ISO compared to 14.5 stops for the D750. Otherwise I would save your stimulus check. Do you normally read what person says or just trying to push your agenda? You could insert any other feature in place of XQD card and somebody would reply that it's absence was a massive mistake or even made the camera unacceptable. The camera business is down >20% world wide. Over time this model will grow on consumers as people realize its inherent value, but that's been true of most of Nikon's recent releases, including it's Z series. I notice that the 12fps rapid shutter on the 780 has significant rolling shutter, so I wonder a little about the conclusion that this is a better sports shooter than the Z6. The Leica Q2 Monochrom is a version of the Gold Award-winning Q2 that only shoots images in black and white. I use live view when on a tripod shooting macro. Nikon blames the forecast change on an “overestimation of market size/share” and the fact that the shift toward full-frame mirrorless cameras away from full-frame DSLRs “has not accelerated as expected.”, ...In other words, Nikon cameras and lenses need to start contributing to Nikon’s bottom line again instead of weighing it down. nikon overall financials are not very relevant to nikon camera owners, who are justifiably concerned about the future of nikon imaging: "Nikon Says Its Cameras Need to Justify Their Existence as a Business. DP review really dropped the ball on this and they should be hanging their heads in shame. Or you meant to say shake due to mirror movement. I have a 70 and a 180. In today's world, when you release a new product, if you want attention and positive buzz it has to be perceived as offering something groundbreaking and cutting edge. Here is a summary of how Nikon D780 and Nikon D850 scores compare: I’m also enjoying the awesome performance of the 24-70 F2.8S. The D500 also has better OVF AF than either the D850 or the D780. If one wants better still photography all by itself get the next D8xx. Nikon D780 24.5 MP Full Frame DSLR Camera (1618) - Accessory Bundle - with Sandisk Extreme Pro 64GB Card + Additional ENEL15 Battery + Nikon Case + Cleaning Set + … Also, you can't seem to comprehend that there are fast SD Cards that are way faster than cheap slow and trash you seem to be using. But as mirrorless cameras grow in use, most reviewers should review the EVF more rigorously as it does matter a lot to the whole user experience of the camera. Do you really worry your smartphone does only sport onto a single mass storage unit ? For many cameras, data on sensor performance has been reported by DXO Mark. From street shooting to sports shooting and everything in-between, is the D780 right for you? The Nikon D780 is available now with an MSRP of $2,299.95 (the same price as the D750 in 2014), or as a kit with the AF-S 24-120mm F4G ED VR lens for $2,799.95. As a former user of the D750, the shutter shock issue was a deal breaker for me then. On my D750 I could shoot up to 3200 without the need for NR in post for most images, and could even get away with ISO 4000 as well. Google on eg ”D850 + nps” there are a lot of settings tips how you as a pro could/should use eg the af in various situations. Id D780 did not have a flip screen wouldn't it still be a crossover? The DSLR is far from dead. They know the sales figures and they know the grip was not used by the majority of users in this market. What’s my mirrorless option? Do you want DSLRs to die? Low light is covered a bit in the Image Quality section, and you can use the comparison tool to make your own assessments. Of course not. So the DSLR will vanish in the not-too-distant future, like the Twin Lens Reflex (TLR) that was popular from the 1930s to the 1960s. D780 with AF-S NIKKOR 24-120mm f/4G ED VR. It seems to me that using modern, very sharp, lenses is not the greatest idea on a camera with 24,5 MP on a full frame sensor. Nikon D780 is significantly lighter ... Our Decision Algorithm dynamically scores cameras using 63 different specs, current price and DxO Mark scores (where possible) in order to make a more objective and consistent comparison. bigger. It's a niche (and pricey) product to be sure, but so far we find it to be well-designed and capable of outstanding results. This is the best review I have seen so far and by a Z6 user. Who's pushing an agenda? The D850 is also an excellent stills camera, but no it is not the high ISO body that the D780 is. As to the DSLR market, well, you can always find them in the used market on eBay and elsewhere. There is no reason to sell the old f-bayonet lenses, except if you change system. Dark bars, rocking guitars, views from afar. What I pointed out is that mirrorless is not really making the market bigger. That’s a good thing. The lack of joystick is unacceptable for a FF DSLR at this price point in 2020. losing the vertical grip and and accompanying extra battery will present some difficulty for those using this camera for Video. I also tried the A7R4, which has the same EVF panel made by Sony as the Panasonic and Fuji...but it didn't perform as well in the Sony. Decide what you want. COMPARISON SELECTION (3 selected items max. And DSLR lives on, Canon get a lot of attention with the new 1 DX MKIII. Here are the recommended Nikon D780 lenses. Why are these reviews not consistently keeping the low light AF testing part? To get a high number of AF points (like 300 or more), I've only seen this on ML cameras because they use on-sensor technology for AF (same concept as using LiveView on a DSLR). Now, perhaps the USB port can be used to provide power to the camera via a belt USB battery for recording video when the battery is depleted but we don't know that because DPreview completely glossed over the lack of any provision for a secondary power source carried on the camera. As can be seen from the gallery, AF-S Nikkor 35mm F1.8G ED is not good, because it is soft in the corners. Vaporware no more: the much-speculated-about Zeiss ZX1 has arrived. The Nikon D780 is available now with an MSRP of $2,299.95 (the same price as the D750 in 2014), or as a kit with the AF-S 24-120mm F4G ED VR lens for $2,799.95. This minor difference of one-third of a stop probably cannot be appreciated in real-world situations as opposed to in the testing lab. Copyright © 2008-2020 DXOMARK. I just started reading up on the Nikon D780. The app includes automatic image transfer, gallery creation, editing tools and more. You can download raws real world raws from most of these cameras. And Nikon marketing ranks these genres highly eg sports. Unless you need it (or a replacement camera), no. Nikon D780 ($2,296.95) vs. Nikon D750 ($1,496.95) comparison (see also this page): Nikon D780 ($2,296.95) Nikon D750 ($1,496.95) Lens Mount Nikon F bayonet mount Nikon F bayonet mount Effective Pixels (Megapixels) 24.5 million 24.3 million Sensor Size 35.9 mmx23.9 mm 35.9 mmx24 mm Image Sensor Format FX FX File Format Still Images JPEG: JPEG-Baseline compliant with fine […] They were not necessarily the best overall, but they did offer new features that attracted attention. Those who have a bunch of F-mount lenses most likely have dumped them in the used market.