Allah knows best. Yajuj and Majuj were released and when they crossed the barrier, (something which Allah knows and we don’t know), they initially attacked and fought the Muslims; later Yajuj and Majuj would come forth with a massive attack after the return of Eisa (عليه السلام). To be honest, I haven’t really read about the Thamud argument but I will tackle it (إن شاء الله). Their appearance will be one of the signs of the end times. Ibn Kathir further mentions that Abu Hurayrah and Ka’b used to sit together often so it is possible that Abu Hurayrah got this narration from Ka’b and that later narrators ascribed it to the Prophet (ﷺ). Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. In closing, my dear brother, my intention is not to challenge you. Lastly, there is another interpretation of this Hadith: 999 out of 1,000 would be Yajuj and Majuj and one would be the believers; where would the other disbelievers (other than Yajuj and Majuj) be then? The Qur’an states that Yajuj and Majuj attempted to pass over the barrier and to break through it but were unable to do so. To sum up, it can be said that based on the textual authority of the Qur’an, and Sunnah, it is not possible to give an absolute verdict that the Wall against the Ya’juj and Ma’juj has disintegrated leaving the passage open. They can also drink up a lake. Mais, lorsque la promesse de mon Seigneur viendra, Il le nivellera(11). They used to spread mischief on earth, so Allaah gave Dhul-Qarnayn the power to build a barrier to detain them. Both Quran and the hadith have clearly mentioned their existence, arrival and the aftermath of their arrival. Anyway, speaking of classical opinions, I’d love to see your take on either interpretations on Quranic chronology of creation of the universe as the classical opinion is that the earth was created before the heaven. “Where is it?” ask the Christian missionaries, and we have no convincing answer at all. I think we can agree on your interpretation of the hadith in Sunan ibn Majah and Tirmidhi. It is possible that the narrator (or even Abu Hurayra) put up the sequence from a number of isolated or other statements of Rasoolullah (ﷺ) and when you put together the entire chain of events, the events do appear to be immediate but as you said ‘both interpretations could apply’. I quoted the Hadith of Da’ood (عليه السلام) for the time duration not being immediate. [10] Sahih al-Muslim, Book 19, Hadith 1808, [11] Sunan Ibn Majah, Book 36, Hadith 154, [12] Sunan Ibn Majah, Book 36, Hadith 151, [13] Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 60, Hadith 26, [14] Sunan Abi Da’ood, Book 39, Hadith 13, [15] Sunan Abi Da’ood, Book 39, Hadith 14. “And there is prohibition upon [the people of] a city which We have destroyed”. Other Hadiths mention that the Romans would come under 80 flags with 12,000 people under each flag (i.e. As for the issue of Hajj and it continuing after the emergence of Ya’juj and Ma’juj, again, I think that the text is not conclusive as the hadith uses the same word (khuruj) as the other ahadith that speak of their emergence. If they were locked up underground, ‘passing over’ would not have been an option; however, they did think of it i.e. '” The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: “By the One in Whose Hand is my soul, the beasts of the earth will grow fat on their flesh.”. Are Hadiths Anti-Semitic? [23] Sunan Ibn Majah, Book 36, Hadith 117. Secondly, 999 to 1 is a ratio of Yajuj and Majuj against the believers since the start of mankind till the end and mankind may have started a few hundred thousand years ago. Muslims fought with one group of the Turkic people mentioned in the narrations i.e. It may have been the Gates of Derbent (lying due east, nearer to Persia), or it may have been the Darial Gorge, lying west, bordering Iberia, located between present-day Ingushetia and Georgia.. | Qur'anic misconceptions addressed, Islamic identity of Rûm (Rome) and Romans | Qur'anic misconceptions addressed, Is there any prophecy of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad? 97. Nine tenths constitute Ya’juj and Ma’juj while the remaining one tenth constitutes the rest of mankind.”[27]. In fact, it will come after the great manifestation of the signs of Qiyamah mentioned earlier, that is, the appearance of the Dajjal and the descent of Sayyidna ‘Isa (عليه السلام) etc. Romans and those who will come after you will fight them (crusades) until the best of Islam’s adherents… will go out to them (end time wars) …” During the crusades, the biggest group of Romans included the British, French, and Germans. 86. The Darial Gorge is a river gorge on the border between Russia and Georgia. Hence these narrations could be interpreted both ways. This particular Ayah and Hadith do not state that it would be in stages; we get the stages bit from elsewhere; this Ayah and Hadith mention that when they emerge after the return of Isa (عليه السلام), they would come down from every hill. Bien plus, nous étions des injustes versets 96/97 - Sourate les Prophètes. Turkic people are one of the many groups of Yajuj and Majuj with small eyes, flat noses and broad faces. However, this will remain subject to the condition that one admits that their last and the most massive onslaught, which will prove to be the destroyer of the entire human population, has not come yet. He again said: There is the possibility that the people of Syria may not send their dinars and mudds. So they will dig and will come out to the people, and they will drink all the water. I’ve thought about this myself for a few months and haven’t really managed to solve the issue until now. وهو كما قال فمحمد بن بشر العبدي ، ثقة حافظ ، روى له الجماعة – كما فى التقريب ( ص 469 ) و محمد بن عمرو ، عن خالد بن حرملة . Likewise, the Day of Judgment being near the advent of Yajuj and Majuj would not mean that it would take place right afterwards any moment and a significantly lengthy gap from a human perspective is a strong possibility. While I agree partly here I would also remind you that the sahih ahadith mention that after ‘Isa (عليه السلام) kills the Dajjal, humanity will flourish again and there will be universal peace for as long as Allah wills. If we assume the misconception that Yajuj and Majuj are animalistic beings (yet humans) and that they simply kill anyone they encounter, then this joining of some Jews and Christians with Yajuj and Majuj would not make sense as they should also be killed by them but they would not do so and welcome them. However since all the buildings we have today in the region (namely Mada’in Salih) are from the Nabatean period. There are also interesting modern discussions on the hadith, for example here: http://www.dr-hakem.com/Portals/Content/?info=TlRRMUpsTjFZbEJoWjJVbU1RPT0rdQ==.jsp that basically build a good case that this hadith is mursal, as Qatadah never heard a hadith from Abu Rafi’ according to authorities. Nous dîmes: «Ô Ḏūl-Qarnayn! Both probabilities exist. They will emerge in huge numbers and will drink up the lake of Tiberius (in Palestine). the events that would take place and this particular narration misses out a lot of events. Let us discuss the Ahadith on Yajuj and Majuj below: لَيُحَجَّنَّ الْبَيْتُ وَلَيُعْتَمَرَنَّ بَعْدَ خُرُوجِ يَأْجُوجَ وَمَأْجُوجَ ‏”‏‏.‏ تَابَعَهُ أَبَانُ وَعِمْرَانُ عَنْ قَتَادَةَ‏.‏ وَقَالَ عَبْدُ الرَّحْمَنِ عَنْ شُعْبَةَ قَالَ ‏”‏ لاَ تَقُومُ السَّاعَةُ حَتَّى لاَ يُحَجَّ الْبَيْتُ ‏”, The Prophet (ﷺ) said: “The people will continue performing the Hajj and `Umra to the Ka`ba even after the appearance of Gog and Magog.” Narrated Shu`ba extra: The Hour (Day of Judgment) will not be established till the Hajj (to the Ka`ba) is abandoned.[7]. Following that, I will surely address this argument (إن شاء الله). The gorge was carved by the river Terek, and is approximately 13 kilometres (8.1 mi) long. The above narration may be considered problematic mathematically and one may need to explain it through reliance on the miracle that Yajuj and Majuj, when unleashed, would come out in such large numbers that they would be 999 times more than the believers. The sons of Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras Gog is listed as a descendant of Reuben (one of the sons of patriarch Jacob) in the 5th century BCE 1 Chronicles 5: 3, 4. I (the narrator) said: You mean Rome? Gog and Magog appear in Qur'an sura Al-Kahf (The Cave), 18:83-98, as Yajuj and Majuj (Ya-juj/Ya-jewj and Ma-juj/Ma-jewj or ... Another frequently suggested candidate is the wall at the Darial Gorge in Georgia, also in the Caucasus. On peut cependant dire qu'il s'agit d'êtres humains descendants d'Adam et d'Eve, de constitution physique normale. Magog appears in the Table of Nations in Genesis10:2 as the eponymous ancestor of a people or nation: 1. Indeed, you say no enemy. Some forum posts for reference if you’re interested in tackling this: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25890, http://www.christianforums.com/threads/error-in-quran-and-hadiths-about-thamud.7754701/. Here we further learn that Yajuj and Majuj would come forth with an all-out attack after the return of Eisa (عليه السلام). One of the Muslims will become angry and smash it, and the Romans will act treacherously and prepare for the battle.[22]. Before the Mahdi, the Romans would be oppressing the believers. [19] Al-Alusi did not deny the argument presented in this paper. Now consider the famous hadith which says that an evil has “drawn near to the Arabs”, and comments that a hole has been created in the barrier of Gog and Magog, What could the evil mean here, other than the eschatological attack of Gog and Magog? ‘Amr said to him (Mustaurid Qurashi): See what you are saying? Qui sont “Gog et Magog” (en arabe “Ya’jûj wa Ma’jûj“), mentionnés dans le Saint Coran à propos du récit de Dhu-l-Qarnayn (S18 V94) et étant un signe annonciateur de la proximité de la Fin des temps (S21 V96) ? Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) said: I know their names and the names of their forefathers and the color of their rides. Salam ‘Alaykum, What we learn from these narrations is that Yajuj and Majuj have similar features as Turkic people because they are from them. However, on the contrary, this approach is not necessary; the numbers of Yajuj and Majuj being 999 times more is not against the remaining population of mankind but against only the believers. People destroyed are those who have perished and these perished, killed, dead people will not return back to life “Until when Gog and Magog have been opened”. Peradaban Yajuj dan Majuj ini bertentangan dengan kepentingan strategis Indonesia untuk melindungi bangsa Indonesia dan tumpah darahnya, memajukan kesejahteraan umum, mencerdaskan kehidupan bangsa, dan ikut serta dalam tata tertib dunia yang berdasarkan perdamaian abadi dan keadilan sosial. ou tu les châties, ou tu uses de bienveillance à leur égard». 100. They appear in the Quran in chapter Al-Kahf as Yajuj and Majuj (Arabic: يَأْجُوجُ وَمَأْجُوجُ; Yaʾjūj wa-Maʾjūj), primitive and immoral tribes that were separated and barriered off by Dhul-Qarnayn (possessor of the Two Horns), who is mentioned in the Qu'ran as a great righteous ruler and conqueror. asked Feb 15 '15 at 12:45. While I agree that the narration could indeed be seen as paraphrasing, it seems to narrate events in a chronological order and again seems to imply that the release of Ya’juj and Ma’juj is followed immediately by the events described after. I suppose the most we could say is that both interpretations could apply. Pingback: Islamic identity of Rûm (Rome) and Romans | Qur'anic misconceptions addressed, Pingback: Is there any prophecy of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad? …no absolute textual authority (nass) contradicts the fact of this Wall disintegrating before Qiyamah, or of some people from the Ya’juj Ma’juj crossing over to this side by taking some distant and long-winding route. And he said: Yes, and there would be a terrible fight and the Muslims would prepare a detachment (for fighting unto death) which would not return but victorious. Jusqu’à ce que soient relâchés les Yājūj et les Mājūj et qu’ils se précipiteront de chaque hauteur; //
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